Kateo kromatično harmoniko izbrati

[Džoga]

https://www.halooglasi.com/muzika-i-ins ... 5643353120

[Džoga]

On this link you can see a lot of pictures of what should real dallape 993a from 60s look

[veso266]

So if you're looking for Real Original Dallapes you have few models, you have the most popular 993a, Supermaestro, Maxima A, Maxima B, Futura, Cathedral.....

My advice is to look for 993a. Now you have to find the right one, there is 993a from 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s and again my advice is to look up for dallapes from 50s and 60s, because they have quality which even new ones dont have. Dallapes from 70s 80s are common and cheap because they are not good as dallapes from 50s and 60s.

So i told you to look the first three buttons, dallapes from 60s in the registers in bass must have 5 registers and above them sign ORGANTONE on the registers there should be black ribbon on every button so 5 ribbons for five registers, first and last one need to have 3 bumps. It has to have one register for chin and that is master in most of cases. The original bellow on old dallapes are yellow so if you see another one that mean that it has been repaired and that really good because those are bellows old 70yrs. Also most of them should have yellow basses so if theyre white they had also been repaired and thats good because you get good feeling playing on newer ones. Also on the side for bass you have Made in Italy No**(number of accordion) badge, not all of them has one but it would be good to have.

Thats all from aesthethics I think. On the inside if the seller allow you to open accordion you should immediately see No**(number of accordion). Then you can look the faseni, those are the wooden parts which holds reeds. dallape 993a should have 3 fasena outside and 1,5 or 1 in inside. You can look that if you want.

Wow, you gave me quite a lot of info, thnx
Dont worry, if u dont have time to respond imidietly (takoj), you read when u have time

The thing is, that I dont realy need an original Dallape, (unless I found one for 2000€ which I probably wont), as long as the accordion sounds great to my ears, and is not made in china I am fine with that

Why does Ručni rad only have 2 buttons instead of 3 on the first row on your right? Does this mean it has one tone less, or something?

Also do 140basses mean that u have free bass on 3 rows on the left side as well as right side? (If thats the case, thats awesome, because then I have a good reason to learn to play on only 3rows as well)

[Džoga]

All rucni rad comes from mostly balkan manufactures and all parts are from italy and germany so dont worry for quality it just important who did the rucni rad who maked it.

You have empty buttons on the right side. Empty buttons are there only for estethic look and they do not make sound for example in original dallape first row first two white button dont have any sound. There is no differences just one button less.

You have plenty original dallape from 80s and 70s for 2000e I will send you some examples from serbia and bosnia.... You never know I paid my original dallape from 60s in that range

No, you have three row for bass and four for chords so

es or Eb, e, c, major, minor, 7, diminished
as or Ab, a f......... same thing and so on and on

[veso266]

Hi there

For some strange reason, some dallape poped (became uvailable) locally: https://www.bolha.com/harmonike/dallapp ... las-878888

This happens very rarly

Not realy sure, from what year it is (description says its from the 70s)

But to me it looks like the one you posted from the 60s

Now on the description it says, its 100% original
It has a badge, but the keyboard does look ručni rad to me so I am not sure now

Although the description says that a big repair was made, the outside does look a bit rough (yellow bas buttons, missing rubber on register swich, missing button on the keyboard), so not sure, why would someone half repair the accordion

It says the price is "na uput", but not sure how much money would this even be worth spending

This is a good chance to try a cromatic button accordion since (even if I dont buy it at the end, since, outside just wants to be repaired and I dont want to buy something, I imidietly need to find a repairman for), I had never tried this in my life, as finding a B-griff button accordion in Slovenia to try, proved to be impossible

[Džoga]

Hi there

For some strange reason, some dallape poped (became uvailable) locally: https://www.bolha.com/harmonike/dallapp ... las-878888

This happens very rarly

Not realy sure, from what year it is (description says its from the 70s)

But to me it looks like the one you posted from the 60s

Now on the description it says, its 100% original
It has a badge, but the keyboard does look ručni rad to me so I am not sure now

Although the description says that a big repair was made, the outside does look a bit rough (yellow bas buttons, missing rubber on register swich, missing button on the keyboard), so not sure, why would someone half repair the accordion

It says the price is "na uput", but not sure how much money would this even be worth spending

This is a good chance to try a cromatic button accordion since (even if I dont buy it at the end, since, outside just wants to be repaired and I dont want to buy something, I imidietly need to find a repairman for), I had never tried this in my life, as finding a B-griff button accordion in Slovenia to try, proved to be impossible

This is rucni rad. From mostly likely 70s. Maximum 1500e if its good

[veso266]

Hi there

For some strange reason, some dallape poped (became uvailable) locally: https://www.bolha.com/harmonike/dallapp ... las-878888

This happens very rarly

Not realy sure, from what year it is (description says its from the 70s)

But to me it looks like the one you posted from the 60s

Now on the description it says, its 100% original
It has a badge, but the keyboard does look ručni rad to me so I am not sure now

Although the description says that a big repair was made, the outside does look a bit rough (yellow bas buttons, missing rubber on register swich, missing button on the keyboard), so not sure, why would someone half repair the accordion

It says the price is "na uput", but not sure how much money would this even be worth spending

This is a good chance to try a cromatic button accordion since (even if I dont buy it at the end, since, outside just wants to be repaired and I dont want to buy something, I imidietly need to find a repairman for), I had never tried this in my life, as finding a B-griff button accordion in Slovenia to try, proved to be impossible

This is rucni rad. From mostly likely 70s. Maximum 1500e if its good

Hi there, it took a while (cuz I realy wanted to get it locally), but I finaly got my Dallape

you can see it here
https://imgbox.com/HaHdFaf9
https://imgbox.com/E5UGm6ml
https://imgbox.com/1jGJDS8p
https://imgbox.com/AKlZ8HUS
https://imgbox.com/Ila6uJLz

I don't know how old it is or who made it (probably not Dallape), there is a serial number on it:
https://imgbox.com/CHyS5miN
https://imgbox.com/3gbUp8UK

but inside nothing speaks Dallape
on the ouside it says Dallape Organtone Max, but google tells me nothing about it (at least from what model the case is or something, nothing)

the seller was real nice, he offered coffie, and food and even allowed me to take it to any accordion shop to check if out if its broken or moldy or something before I paid money (seller didn't even want any avanse, although I did offer it)

Well I did take it to an accordion shop (we have a lot of accordion makers in Slovenia, Melodija being the most known, but they only make diatonic accordions and piano accordions, so I didn't take it there for checkup)
I took it to an accordion repair shop that also sells cromatic button accordions (you can try C systems in his shop, but he can also get u a B system, although you cannot try B system, since he has none uvailable to try)

this is the repair store I took my dallape to, btw: https://dd-drobnic.si/

When I came with (not yet mine at the time) dallape the repairman (majstore), that owns this small shop where they sell and fix accordions asked me
what music I want to play and told me that our Slovenian music has tremolo (I think he said that) that Dallapas don't have
Then he showed me the sound on one of his Beltuna (don't remember the model, it was piano version and it was brown) and told me, look this sound your dallapas don't have
Of course I asked, well, then why not retune my dallape so it will have that sound?
and he told me that its expensive and by retuning you would take out the soul of dallape because by adding tremollo you would have to take out some other register your serbian accordions used (don't remember which register)

well then he proceded to check my dallape, and after checking acustic characteristic of it (before opening it up) he told me that actualy what he said before about registers is wrong, since, my dallape is actually already more universally tuned
still have no idea what he meant with this so if anyone can figure it out, here is how my dallape sounds: https://youtu.be/TTRYM8E_uLU
I went through all the bass and treble registers

Here are some picture of whats inside my dallape
https://imgbox.com/CDVaoFym
https://imgbox.com/EozDdQi0
https://imgbox.com/QEQBJr0j
https://imgbox.com/p13EpX4f
https://imgbox.com/YgDXZq35
https://imgbox.com/cBBqh98K

the bellows were repaired at one point (don't have a picture of that but the repairman told me that)

I believe I have 3+1.5 fasena version of it (not 2+2), still not sure what this means like, how fasenas (glasovnice in slovenian) limit you

Well what I do know about this accordian is that is has amani reeds (one thing the seller did know): https://www.vociarmoniche.it/en/comparative-reed-table/ (not sure what model exacly)

Well, the repair man told me that nothing is broken, nothing is out of tune, nothing leaks, nothing is mouldy, its in perfect shape and if I like it I should take it
the seller was interesting though, when I came, he told me: "I don't know anything about this accordion, I only know its old, but you can take it to any repairman, for checkup"
He told me he bought it from some guy, then figured out its to hard and heavy to play (he is about 60years old (iirc) and got a stroke), then wanted his son to play it or his grandkid, but noone wanted to play it, so then he decided to sell it

well after money exchanged hands he did tell me that this dallape has armani reeds inside and its very good accordian and I should use it and play it
I payed 1300€ for it, and I realy realy like it, I like the sound it makes, I realy like how it looks like (this black front is much nicer then silver which dallapas usualy have)
and I realy like the smell of it (it smells like old basement)

what is interesting is that buttons on the treble (right hand) side didn't become yellow, same with register switches, while bass buttons did become yellow

Well now this Dallape is with me now so I want to play it

I did found a book
here is a scanned version (don't know when it was scanned)
[Linkovi su uklonjeni - Zabranjeno je postavljanje skeniranih knjiga na forum]

But I wanted hard copy version of the book so I found it: https://imgbox.com/GREmeWfA
and the only intitution that had it was NUK (Narodna Univerzitetna Knjižnica)
but they only had the first book, the second book and the vinyl record containing music is nowhere to be found

I don't know how, but the book is in Slovenian (middle column is Slovenian, left Serbian, right Cyrilic serbian)
like, I have so much problems finding this accordion in Slovenia, but I can find a book for it in Slovenian, isn't it usualy the oposite

Well I like this book, but did got confused a little
you see

I saw here, how to play the scale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2zlWjv02Q

the book also told me how to play the scale with all 5 fingers: https://imgbox.com/SPDZHkQQ
but then on some different page: https://imgbox.com/yMMkUhgt
the book told me I can use different fingers for same notes

why?

or better question: when to use fifth finger for h or when to use 4th finger for h, does this depend on the song, if it does, how do u know what finger is right?
like why 2 types of fingering for the same notes?

I hope if I follow the book and do what it tells me, I will be able to play Prelaz kolo at the end

[Wald]

To je 3+1, ne 3+1,5 harmonika. Nije original Dallape, ali ni cijena nije originalna. Harmonika je za Sloveniju univerzalno naštimana. To znači da i kola i polke mogu zadovoljavajuće zvučati na njoj. Tremolo je puno veći nego onaj koji se koristi istočnije, ali vjerujem da je za "štajersku" muziku zadovoljavajuć. Nema potrebe ni smisla tu harmoniku preštimavati na viši (ili niži) tremolo, pogotovo u tom cjenovnom rangu.

Toplo bih preporučio da se raspitate za nekog profesora jer smatram da je neophodan u početku (uživo ili preko Skypea). Pogotovo za ljestvice i položaj ruke. Na taj način, sa voljom i trudom svirati ćete Prelaz kolo u tempu za 2 mjeseca.

[Džoga]

Hi there

For some strange reason, some dallape poped (became uvailable) locally: https://www.bolha.com/harmonike/dallapp ... las-878888

This happens very rarly

Not realy sure, from what year it is (description says its from the 70s)

But to me it looks like the one you posted from the 60s

Now on the description it says, its 100% original
It has a badge, but the keyboard does look ručni rad to me so I am not sure now

Although the description says that a big repair was made, the outside does look a bit rough (yellow bas buttons, missing rubber on register swich, missing button on the keyboard), so not sure, why would someone half repair the accordion

It says the price is "na uput", but not sure how much money would this even be worth spending

This is a good chance to try a cromatic button accordion since (even if I dont buy it at the end, since, outside just wants to be repaired and I dont want to buy something, I imidietly need to find a repairman for), I had never tried this in my life, as finding a B-griff button accordion in Slovenia to try, proved to be impossible

This is rucni rad. From mostly likely 70s. Maximum 1500e if its good

Hi there, it took a while (cuz I realy wanted to get it locally), but I finaly got my Dallape

you can see it here
https://imgbox.com/HaHdFaf9
https://imgbox.com/E5UGm6ml
https://imgbox.com/1jGJDS8p
https://imgbox.com/AKlZ8HUS
https://imgbox.com/Ila6uJLz

I don't know how old it is or who made it (probably not Dallape), there is a serial number on it:
https://imgbox.com/CHyS5miN
https://imgbox.com/3gbUp8UK

but inside nothing speaks Dallape
on the ouside it says Dallape Organtone Max, but google tells me nothing about it (at least from what model the case is or something, nothing)

the seller was real nice, he offered coffie, and food and even allowed me to take it to any accordion shop to check if out if its broken or moldy or something before I paid money (seller didn't even want any avanse, although I did offer it)

Well I did take it to an accordion shop (we have a lot of accordion makers in Slovenia, Melodija being the most known, but they only make diatonic accordions and piano accordions, so I didn't take it there for checkup)
I took it to an accordion repair shop that also sells cromatic button accordions (you can try C systems in his shop, but he can also get u a B system, although you cannot try B system, since he has none uvailable to try)

this is the repair store I took my dallape to, btw: https://dd-drobnic.si/

When I came with (not yet mine at the time) dallape the repairman (majstore), that owns this small shop where they sell and fix accordions asked me
what music I want to play and told me that our Slovenian music has tremolo (I think he said that) that Dallapas don't have
Then he showed me the sound on one of his Beltuna (don't remember the model, it was piano version and it was brown) and told me, look this sound your dallapas don't have
Of course I asked, well, then why not retune my dallape so it will have that sound?
and he told me that its expensive and by retuning you would take out the soul of dallape because by adding tremollo you would have to take out some other register your serbian accordions used (don't remember which register)

well then he proceded to check my dallape, and after checking acustic characteristic of it (before opening it up) he told me that actualy what he said before about registers is wrong, since, my dallape is actually already more universally tuned
still have no idea what he meant with this so if anyone can figure it out, here is how my dallape sounds: https://youtu.be/TTRYM8E_uLU
I went through all the bass and treble registers

Here are some picture of whats inside my dallape
https://imgbox.com/CDVaoFym
https://imgbox.com/EozDdQi0
https://imgbox.com/QEQBJr0j
https://imgbox.com/p13EpX4f
https://imgbox.com/YgDXZq35
https://imgbox.com/cBBqh98K

the bellows were repaired at one point (don't have a picture of that but the repairman told me that)

I believe I have 3+1.5 fasena version of it (not 2+2), still not sure what this means like, how fasenas (glasovnice in slovenian) limit you

Well what I do know about this accordian is that is has amani reeds (one thing the seller did know): https://www.vociarmoniche.it/en/comparative-reed-table/ (not sure what model exacly)

Well, the repair man told me that nothing is broken, nothing is out of tune, nothing leaks, nothing is mouldy, its in perfect shape and if I like it I should take it
the seller was interesting though, when I came, he told me: "I don't know anything about this accordion, I only know its old, but you can take it to any repairman, for checkup"
He told me he bought it from some guy, then figured out its to hard and heavy to play (he is about 60years old (iirc) and got a stroke), then wanted his son to play it or his grandkid, but noone wanted to play it, so then he decided to sell it

well after money exchanged hands he did tell me that this dallape has armani reeds inside and its very good accordian and I should use it and play it
I payed 1300€ for it, and I realy realy like it, I like the sound it makes, I realy like how it looks like (this black front is much nicer then silver which dallapas usualy have)
and I realy like the smell of it (it smells like old basement)

what is interesting is that buttons on the treble (right hand) side didn't become yellow, same with register switches, while bass buttons did become yellow

Well now this Dallape is with me now so I want to play it

I did found a book
here is a scanned version (don't know when it was scanned)
[Linkovi su uklonjeni - Zabranjeno je postavljanje skeniranih knjiga na forum]

But I wanted hard copy version of the book so I found it: https://imgbox.com/GREmeWfA
and the only intitution that had it was NUK (Narodna Univerzitetna Knjižnica)
but they only had the first book, the second book and the vinyl record containing music is nowhere to be found

I don't know how, but the book is in Slovenian (middle column is Slovenian, left Serbian, right Cyrilic serbian)
like, I have so much problems finding this accordion in Slovenia, but I can find a book for it in Slovenian, isn't it usualy the oposite

Well I like this book, but did got confused a little
you see

I saw here, how to play the scale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2zlWjv02Q

the book also told me how to play the scale with all 5 fingers: https://imgbox.com/SPDZHkQQ
but then on some different page: https://imgbox.com/yMMkUhgt
the book told me I can use different fingers for same notes

why?

or better question: when to use fifth finger for h or when to use 4th finger for h, does this depend on the song, if it does, how do u know what finger is right?
like why 2 types of fingering for the same notes?

I hope if I follow the book and do what it tells me, I will be able to play Prelaz kolo at the end

If you need help or classes with accordion I can Help you if you want you can contact me on [email protected]

[veso266]

Thnx guys,

@'Wald
I do wonder, how did u know its 3+1, not 3+1.5, does this show on the pictures or can it be heard somehow?

Also what did u mean about the price not being original?
Did I pay to much for it?

I do like it, so in my opinion, money well spent, but still curious

Also what did u meant about tremolo being to low
Does original dallape sound diferently? Does some recording exist where someone would go through every register in original dallape so I could hear the difference (if the microphone can even pick up this difference)

As for lessons, will follow the book and see where I get, since meeting and talking to people is a masive stress to me, I preffer written material and doing things ony own tearms

Prelaz kolo is just a long term goal for me, and it doesnt matter if I archive it in 2monts or 2years, its the reason I like to follow the book, and motivation to continue to play my accordion

I bought this accordion because I like the music I can make with it, and not for playing in public or be any kind of virtuoz or musical genious

@Džoga, thnx for ur offer, you gave me a lot of suggestions and already and I thank you for that, in Slovenian forums, nobody helped me like that, they all said, buy C system and never realy told why

Take care everyone